Category: Flying in India

Flying India to Shanghai in a Learjet

Been flying and travelling a lot lately so here is a update on one of my trips!

We had a owner flight planned to go initially to Shanghai and Beijing, but unfortunately Beijing was dropped from the plan, so it was Kolkata – Hanoi (fuel stop) – Shanghai and opposite for return.

Flight times are Kolkata to Hanoi 2hr, Hanoi to Shanghai 3hrs, return posed some challenges for the aircraft and its endurance as the headwinds would top out at 167 kts!  Plan return was Shanghai to Hanoi 3hr20min (turned out to be 3hr 47min) and Hanoi to Kolkata is 2hr 30min.

Here is the map of the trip:

Of course you can see this isnt the most direct route, and it means we fly through the airspace of 5 countries as opposed to 3 countries on the most direct route. But on looking the cost of a fuel stop in Kunming on the direct route was huge, the handlers cost $2000+ , the fees are high and the cost of jet fuel there is high, so looking elsewhere we found that stopping in Hanoi as the cheapest option, even though it is off track and adds 40 minutes to the total trip time.

To get through all these countries airspace you need overflight clearances. Now most countries you can get these yourself as the numbers are listed in the books and also on websites, but we chose to keep it simple and use the services of our handlers, they are:

Bangladesh overflight (and if ever you have to land here use these guys although its expensive to go to Bangladesh due to fees imposed to keep people from flying private aircraft to here) :

ZUNAYED ISLAM

MANAGER

AVIATION SUPPORT LTD
OFF – +8802-8815575 / 8817741
FAX – +8802-8817558
GSM – +880-1678010328

email; zunayed.asl@gmail.com

Vietnam (handles overflights also for Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand)

T&T Aviation Department

(T&T Company Ltd)

Tel:     +84.8.39256 331        Ext: 405

Fax:    +84.8.39256 332

24hrs: +84.938 170 812

SITA:  SGNTTUV       AFTN: VVTSYUYX

Email: thanh.lh@tnt-vietnam.com

Website:   www.tnt-vietnam.com

And China, we found these guys to be the best priced…

Jet Service China Success (JSC)

Operations                            ZBAA Ground Handling          ZSPD Ground Handling

Tel:  +8620 3618 0046            Tel/Fax: +8610 8448 6728       Tel/Fax: +8621 6610 8819

Fax: +8620 3618 0067             MB:+86 1350 1135 899          MB: +86 1381 7591 451

24 HR: +86 139 2213 9599       beijing@jscchina.com shanghai@jscchina.com

SITA:HKGJSXH

ops@jscchina.com

www.jscchina.com

Now overflight clearances are easy to get, just hand over a wad of information about your aircraft and operation and within 3 days they will be issued. China overflight and landing is another story!

China needs you to be sponsored by a local company to take a private plane their, they also are quite restrictive about routes and altitudes, and of course the routes given are never what you want or need!  China took just 1 day to get the permit but they advertise you should have the application in 7 days prior to flight.

The flight;

Leg 1 Kolkata to Hanoi

Lucky this isnt a fuel critical leg as we are kept typically low as we transit Bangladesh airspace. Bangladesh is the only country in the region without radar still, its also hard as on both sides its surrounded by India, and generally the phones lines between the atc centers are out of service so you must do the co-ordinating via radio to get higher altitudes and conflicting traffic, as Kolkata has the radar which subsequently shows all of Bangladesh on it! So as you fly across Bangladesk expect to be talking to Bangladesh ATC as well as Kolkata ATC…all at once.

Its also busy, as 6 minutes after take off you are entering another countries airspace. But funnily enough as soon as you leave India the radio communications get more standard, the quality of the controllers are better, the radio reception is better and the range is perfect so you can talk to atc at any point, unlike India!

Once you leave Bangladesh behind we go into Myanmar airspace and talk to Yangon. These guys are good, they will facilitate your climb by giving radar vectors and get you  above the airline traffic and on your way.  After Yangon we go into Vientiane, which is Laos. I should look up one day why its called Vientiane not Laos!.  Here we are on the moving map over Laos

Descent and landing into Hanoi is uneventful, there are no clouds today, but a lot of haze and smoke, it seems the whole of Myanmar is on fire.

As we descend into the smoke and haze layer…

Here is Hanoi International airport;

Old russian planes lieing idle

The terminal at Hanoi

The yellow follw me car taking us to our spot

The stop in Hanoi is super efficient, they take me and passengers into the terminal by bus , while ranvir stays at the jet and gets the onwards clearance and setups the plane for departure whilst its refuelled. I go in and file the flight plan and go pee pee, while the passengers stretch their legs. 25 minutes engine stop to engine start is all it took, amazing!

Leg 2 Hanoi to Shanghai (Pudong airport)

Within 25 minutes of take off from Hanoi we are entering China’s airspace. Again we are kept low as there is a set altitude for crossing the border, I think it was 27 000ft , now of course 27 000ft sounds high but for a Learjet its not a happy place as to go fast here would chew through the fuel, so we slow ….

The next big drama is the conversion of feet to meters, and for 10300 m they say 10 thousand 3 hundred meters when they give you a level… so we have this chart help us out as like most all the planes in the world, we are calibrated in feet not meters so a conversion table is a must.

Conversion chart feet to meters

As we go further into China some storms appear near Nanchang, but thats ok we will miss them.

For some reason unknown to me in China they don’t like you flying directly along the airways, instead they make you fly 3 nm offset to the right, so you fly parallel to the airway. Strange! Lucky the planes computer can do this for us, otherwise it would make for a long day!

About half way into the trip we are given the final climb to altitude!

Then is starts into Shanghai…its annoying though as the route we have to fly takes us north of Shanghai and then we turn back to the south… what a waste of fuel!

I am sitting there with my new stick on by static electricity sun shades that I bought in Walmart the week before and realize the irony, they have made in china on them!

We descent into the bumpy air and clouds of Shanghai, unfortunately it got too busy and dark to take any more pics…

Shanghai airport is big , we thought it was going to be hard to find our way around, but no it wasnt…

Pudong airport

We easily found parking spot number 509!

We land and our ever efficient handlers, take our passport, the passengers and their luggage and get them out and on their way, we then get our passports returned to us, and after cleaning up the plane and putting it to bed for the 3 day rest it will have we we are taken out of the airport, no customs no immigration nothing, its all predone and cleared and we have a stamp in our passport.

Just now its a 1 hr drive into the city to our hotel!

Here is the hotel and view from my rooom I see when we arrive….

More on this adventure shortly….

 

Air travel India

Well its been a while since a post, as I had to go back to the USA for a week, and then upon my return there was a rush to get everything done for a operations inspection from Indias aviation authority…which of course and as expected didnt go so well.

But lets chat about traveling as a passenger out of India.

It all starts at the airport check in…

Normally check in is easy, you can bring your friends and family with you, but oh not in India. For some reason the public isnt allowed into the terminal building unless they have pre purchased ticket! And then this ticket doesnt allow then in too far, just to the arrivals area, so really its pointless.Problem was the day I left the sale of tickets for the terminal was banned due to some security reason, so there was crowds outside the nasty terminal blocking the entrance all complaining they cant buy a ticket to walk the 50 ft into the terminal.

But I get in using my crew pass, and make my way to the xray machine, where you must get your back xrayed.This is the xray for your checked bags and the fools are opening bags and complaining to people that they have screw drivers in their bags, one woman has a nice knife set. All these items are deemed somehow dangerous and are removed… how they will be a danger in a checked bag I will never know as they also seal the bag with straps after its xrayed and deemed safe, so I have no clue as to the logic here… do they no realize this aint a train and there is no access to your bags in flight?

But eventually you make it to check in, only to notice that behind the check in desk is piles of trash, just literally trash everywhere and dirt, and its not a little bit, its 3 ft high in places! Welcome to India I think to myself.

After checkin you go for interrogation to leave the country, where you beg for permission to leave! I havent figured out the logic here, I am sure there is no logic to the process. You also have to pass a Customs and Quarantine desk… why they are on the departure side I am yet to figure out, but they never stop anyone, they just sit there like rocks staring at you as you walk past them.

You then make it into Kolkatas luxury international terminal departure area.

Its a luxurious area I am told, where you can not do much but sit or buy a drink for 400 times its actual value from the one and only shop in the area, or you can buy a bottle of duty free liquor that for some reason is 3 times the retail street price.

The toilets in Kolkatas int l terminal are disgusting, they make you gag. As you walk in they look clean enough but then you realize they are like all Indian toilets, cleaned with water only so it stinks of piss, shit and vomit. Its hard to hold my breath but I have to pee badly so I brave it. I notice on the way out there is one of those sheets with the cleaners signoff every hour.. whats a joke, I bet it dated 1984 …

Now I go back and sit down, the seat it dirty, the floor is dirty and then I am just staring at the trash can. At first I cant figure out what I am staring at, then I realize the trash can has things moving on it… then I focus, and its covered in maggots! This is it, pity I didn’t have a real camera with me, the cell phone camera doesn’t do it justice.

But eventually I board the Emirates flight on the first of 3 flights that will get me back to Miami, with the first stop in Dubai, before the next flight to London.

Now boarding any flight with Indians is an experience, there is some animalistic instinct that comes out in Indians when it comes to transportation. They have to get to their seat, and sit. They have no respect for order, no respect for others, and its just a free for all mad dash to push and shove onto the plane, like its going to leave without them so the have to get on board. The majority cant follow instructions about which seat it theirs, nor can they understand the numbering and letter system so this of course caused chaos.

The guy I am sitting next to stinks like pee, really bad. He has this nasty dirty person aroma. You remember when you were a kid and would play in the garden and dirt, that’s the smell of this guy, but add to it the smell of pee, and sweat and you have the aroma I am beside. Even though I am cold I am forced to put the air vent on full, thank god this is a plane that still has overhead individual air vents I think to myself. It was so bad I was thinking of buying some duty free perfume to fix the smell. And to add to it all, this stinking guy has decided that he can place his elbows over into my space… he gets offended when I tell him to move his arms. He also decides as the plane powers up to take off that its a good time to make a phone call! , I tapped his phone and told him he could be sent to jail in Dubai for that and to turn it off now… he glares at me, but actually stops the call and turns the phone off… idiot.  Thankfully the 4 hr flight isn’t long and I am away from this stink and now I will board a flight without the Indian travellers (or less of them) so life instantly returns to normal. Actually its returned to normal as soon as you get off the plane in Dubai. There is beef burgers for sale, dunkin donuts and starbucks… ahh the civilized world.

But with a short stopover here, I am thankful for the clean fresh air of Dubai and my nostrils have  recovered from the sensual onslaught of the last 4 hrs and I can now sleep my way to London….remind me to wear strong perfume on the next flight out of India please!

 

Watch out for the flags

I found this on the notices to airman (notams) today for Bangalore airport:

A1497/08 – BIRD WATCHERS WITH RED FLAGS DEPLOYED ON SHOULDERS OF RWY. RED FLAGS RAISED IS AN INDICATION OF POSN OF BIRDS TO TWR CONTROLLER ONLY. PILOTS TKOF/LDG TO IGNORE THE SAME. 30 OCT 05:15 2008 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 30 OCT 09:19 2008

It blows my mind to think a 3km long runway is surrounded by little men and women who sit in the heat, rain and wind 24/7 and raise little red flags everytime they see a bird. How absurd!

 

We got our No Objection Certificates NOC for our animals today!

Yah, today we got our NOC certificates early, this is what they look like: It says on it we must produce our documents upon arrive, so that is easy.